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Tuesday, 26 July 2011

Explaining The Beast With Seven Heads and Ten Horns and The Woman Riding The Beast

A picture of an elaborately clothed whore riding a scarlet beast.
Edited 27 Aug 2011 and 31st Aug 2011
See the very bottom of this article for the edited section (in bold). It is entitled "Further Scriptural Evidence with its self explained interpretations"



Original Article of 26 July 2011
I have given much prayer, study and thought into “the beast with 7 heads and 10 horns” in Revelation 17.

In verse 9 it says “this calls for a mind with wisdom”. James says “if anyone lacks wisdom, let him ask of God”. Therefore, I have asked of God.

This is what I believe the Lord has given me. Please don’t reject it before you have read the whole article (to get it in its complete picture) and then please consider carefully what I have written, before you reply. So here it is:


Beast With Seven Heads and Ten Horns 
In Revelation 13 it says "I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads ....", "One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed"

The Beast contained ALL 7 heads. It was just one head of his heads that received a fatal wound, not all 7. I don't believe it is talking about the antichrist being wounded when we consider the context.

Revelation 17:10 explains that the 7 kings are 7 empires that have arisen in history. Note the Bible always discusses prophecy foremost in light of its affect on Israel. Five have fallen, one is (at that time Rome was still an empire) and one is to come.

Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece all fell. Rome was the power presently in existence. Later the Roman Empire fell, but (in a sense) continued on through the Babylonic Roman Catholic church. The head that received a fatal wound and yet lived could be referring to the Roman empire which is now being revived (through the EU) or original Babylon. The EU of today could be
either revived Roman Empire (which will revive Babylonic religion) or Babylon the Great itself. Therefore the fatal wound has been healed! Ie one of these empires (which had fatally died) has risen again.

In 1 John 5:19 it says "the whole world is under the control of the evil one". This is referring to "world system" not the Earth. The whole world system, governments, public opinion etc is influenced by satan. For more information on this please click on this shortcut link  Who Runs The World? An Investigation Into The Global Scheme Of Things. Completed Report (Revised)

Therefore, I would say that the Beast is the Babylonic World system under control of the evil one who is behind the scenes politically and religiously etc and therefore behind the subsequent seven empires (which glorified Babylonic religion). 

Let’s face it; it is the beast (the WHOLE animal - which includes the 7 heads) that contains the heads. It is not the heads or any one individual head which makes up the whole Beast, but the heads are part of the whole makeup of the beast. This must mean that the WHOLE beast  uses the heads as his long term strategy for global dominion through political and religious empires. As an illustration let us consider the human body. In a human body it is the soul which is the power house and uses the brain to function the body in this world. Likewise it is the soul of the beast (satanic power) which uses the 7 heads.

Sorry to labour that point, but I want to make sure that this point is understood before we press on.

One of these strategies is having demonic spiritual forces (Babylonic religion) controlling the political empires, ie the woman who rides the beast). However, throughout history God has intervened (UNTIL NOW) to brings to naught satan’s attempts to reign on Earth.

Nimrod the Father of  Babylon religion was known as a "bull", ie a beast. When Israel worshipped the golden calf, it was a symbol of alliance to Baal. Nimrod being the god of Baal or sun worship. Nimrod (I believe) was a type of the antichrist to come in the last days. So the Beast of Babylonic power (bull???)  has had relative control (throughout history) in Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome (including the global emergence of the RC and other Babylonic linked religions and ideologies): all by the satanic power behind Babylonic religion. The bull (beast) being symbolic of the anti Yahweh  Babylonic rebellion and the subsequent satanic influenced world systems.

The 10 horns represent the whole world in which the Beast will have great power over. The little horn or final head, would be the reign of the antichrist. Revelation 17:11 says “The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.”

This tells me that there will be a time when the WHOLE animal will take over as king of the whole world as the eighth head. He is the eighth head but is also the whole animal (at the same time) and belongs to the seven. How can that be?

I would say that satan (the beast) who uses the 7 empires, will eventually take over (global conquest) himself through the antichrist using the revived Roman empire to achieve his goals.

That is the only interpretation that makes sense to me. Btw, Political powers have already divided the World into 10 regions.

The Woman Who Rides The Beast

What about the woman who rides the beast?

If the beast is the global world system controlled by satan , who is the woman? The woman is Babylonic religion but centralised in a great city.

Let us look into this. Why is  Babylonic religion known as a woman? Well it all starts with Semiramis at the time of the TOWER OF BABEL (subsequently had many other more well known goddess names).

She was the one who invented Babylonic religion and the worship of Baal. She sought to ride on the Political power set up by Nimrod in Babylon. She was the wife of Nimrod and set up goddess worship and Baal (sun god worship) in honour of Nimrod and her son Tammuz. It fast became a religion of mysteries, full of symbolism.

This religion spread like wildfire throughout the Babylonic empire and on into Persian, Greek and Roman empire. Babylonic religion has always ridden on the back of the beast of political power, using demonic powers to seek global dominion.

Later we see the religion of Mary worship (through the Catholic church)  doing exactly the same thing, riding on the political powers of the Roman Empire and again it spread like wild fire.

Book of Revelation says that satan’s strategy remains the same. He will allow Babylonic  religion to ride Babylon style political power to gain global conquest.

In Babylon Nimrod set up a political power, using demonic powers to become gods and seek to overthrow God’s rule on Earth (we see at the end of Revelation that satan still thinks he can deceive the nations into believing that they can overthrow God).

In the same way, the antichrist will emerge on the scene (the whole beast) with the woman riding him. This means that he will rise to power through the influence of Babylonic religion (which will be a united global Babylonic religion) ultimately centred in one great city. Once the antichrist has ultimate control he will no longer need this religion and will start hating it. This will probably be because she is now irrelevant. She was riding upon satanic power and exercising satanic power on the Earth, but now that the antichrist has become the full embodiment of that power, the woman is no longer necessary and is simply "in the way".


Where it says “"I saw a beast coming out of the sea” it is probably referring to the re-emergence of Babylon the Great, of Nimrod’s time, but in much greater power and coming (this time) as it was first intended  (before God stepped in and divided the languages at Babel) to reign on Earth, but will probably appear as an embodiment of a revived Roman Empire (for a short while).

All of the above are the only interpretations (as far as I can tell) which doesn't make nonsense of other passages within the Book of Revelation or other scriptures and seems to be consistent throughout.

Please go to the bottom of this article – the edited section (in bold)  for a much more full blooded analysis of other passages of scripture which seem to emphasise the above more plainly.

How Does Israel Figure In This?
I mentioned that the Bible's prophecies are mostly always (if not always, always) as in relation to Israel's existence as a Nation and/or as a faithful people.  God’s prophetic time clock ticks away or pauses dependant on whether Israel are a Nation or not.

For example the description of the 7 empires (5 have fallen, 1 was existing) was as in relation to Israel. The time clock of God paused after AD70 after Israel ceased to be a nation. The 7th empire (to be the FINAL empire before the antichrist) has a massive gap AFTER the 6th empire (Roman Empire).
There were many empires after the Roman empire, but none of these were in relation to the state of Israel which ceased to exist as a political entity and none of them are referred to in the Bible. Why? because the prophetic time clock was on pause until Israel became a Nation again.

It is very interesting that very soon after Israel became a Nation again in 1948, the EEC (now known as EU) emerged as a process to revive the old Roman Empire and is NOW doing it more successfully than any other previous attempts. Also IN THE EXACT SAME YEAR the World Council of Churches was founded (it is now heavily supportive of the Roman Catholic organisation) and the commencement of replacement theology through the full emergence of the ecumenical Latter Rain movement. Please see http://www.watchmanforjesus.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/chronological-emergence-of-apostate.html  for more on this.

People like Napoleon tried to revive the old empire but without success. This is because God's time clock had not restarted because Israel had not yet returned as a Nation.

However, now that Israel is a Nation again the old Roman Empire IS being revived because God's prophetic time clock has restarted. The 7th Empire is now with us because Israel are a Nation again. The 8th empire of the antichrist will be greater than the 7th because it will be a global empire (for the first time).


Edited 27 Aug 2011 and 31st Aug 2011 


Further Scriptural Evidence with self explained interpretations


This section will carefully illustrate what has already been said (above) by comparing scripture verses/passages with other verses/passages, and showing the scriptures which give plain interpretations. Example: “The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits” complemented by “The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth” and “The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages This section will also carefully explain how those passages fit together with further exposition of those passages.


1) Revelation 12:3,  Revelation 12:9
Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads.


The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray


This means that the red dragon with 7 heads and 10 horns is satan


2) Rev 13:1
And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name.


The context appears to mean that the beast is the embodiment or earthly representation of who satan is. It is satan’s strategy to try and destroy God’s people and set up his kingdom, ie satan and the beast both have 7 heads and 10 horns. Must equal one and the same.


3) Revelation 13:2,  Daniel 7:3-7
The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority.


Four great beasts, each different from the others, came up out of the sea. “The first was like a lion, and it had the wings of an eagle. I watched until its wings were torn off and it was lifted from the ground so that it stood on two feet like a man, and the heart of a man was given to it.
 “And there before me was a second beast, which looked like a bear. It was raised up on one of its sides, and it had three ribs in its mouth between its teeth. It was told, ‘Get up and eat your fill of flesh!’
 “After that, I looked, and there before me was another beast, one that looked like a leopard. And on its back it had four wings like those of a bird. This beast had four heads, and it was given authority to rule.
 “After that, in my vision at night I looked, and there before me was a fourth beast—terrifying and frightening and very powerful. It had large iron teeth; it crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot whatever was left. It was different from all the former beasts, and it had ten horns.


These two passages both mention the same beasts: lion, bear and leopard. History tells us that this must have been referring to Babylon (lion) Media Persia (bear) and Greece (leopard). To clarify this, we read that God gave Nebuchadnezzar (of Babylon) a heart of a man (he repented) and Greece (4 heads) was split into 4 regions. Then Daniel 2 clarifies these same 3 empires plus Rome = iron. Therefore Rome = the 4th beast (not mentioned here as an animal but had iron teeth).


4) Revelation 17:9-10 and 17:12
The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings


The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast.


So both Daniel and Revelation mention that the 7 heads and 10 horns represent kings. This can be broken down as 7 empires (or kingdoms) because Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome were all empires and 10 kings (within these empires) are ten regions or 10 political entities or leaders within these 7 empires. However there is just 6 mentioned here not 7.


5) Revelation 17:10-11
They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while. The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction


This tells us that the beast has been the motivating force ever since the Egyptian empire (which was the first empire with advanced educational capabilities, which used the satanic religious powers, which were first introduced through the the Tower of Babel = Babylonic religion).
Each succeeding empire continued the MYSTERY religion of Babylon. All of them becoming heavily influenced by it (a religion of satanic symbolism). History tells us that the political empires of Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Media/Persia and Greece all fell by the time the time the Book of Revelation was written = 5. Roman Empire was still in existence. The seventh (at that time) had not yet arisen.


6) Daniel 7:7,  Revelation 13:1-2
there before me was a fourth beast—terrifying and frightening and very powerful. It had large iron teeth; it crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot whatever was left. It was different from all the former beasts, and it had ten horns.


I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority


In Daniel 7, it mentions 4 beasts, but the 4th was far more terrifying than the other 3. Revelation 13 lists the same first 3 animals but as all part of this ONE beast, ie Babylon, Persia and Greece but we happen to know the 4th terrifying beast is Rome. The beast of Revelation 13, states it as ONE beast – not FOUR. Therefore this 4th beast has everything that the other 3 empires had but much more.   Revelation 13  only mentions the 3 animals as part of the ONE beast. Whereas Daniel 7 mentions 3 separate beasts. 


This 4th beast is the fullness of the whole plan of satan and contains his power “The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority”. Why is Rome the 4th beast and not the 6th? Well, Daniel’s 4 beasts were in relation to the time of his writings. The beast in operation in Daniel’s time was first Babylon and then Persia. God told Daniel that the “king of Greece” was coming soon = the third. Maybe this is why Daniel had a problem describing the 4th beast Rome, because (in his time) this was well in the future. So the 4th beast is the same as the 6th head.


Who is the 7th head?


7) Daniel 2:32-33
The head of the statue was made of pure gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze, its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of baked clay.


Here Daniel refers to 5 empires (remember he does not relate to Egyptian and Assyrian empires because they were in the past). The 5 empires are likened to a human body: head, chest and arms, belly and thighs, legs and feet = 5 parts. Therefore this 5th empire is effectively the 7th as contained in Revelation 13 and 17. This 5th empire (feet) is a mixture of iron and clay. Daniel explains that the iron represents the 4th empire Rome, but the 5th also contains iron = Rome. The 5th (ie, 7th) empire will contain Rome but also includes a different element = clay. We know that God made man out of clay and therefore clay represents mankind. Could this mean that this final empire will be democratic?


Therefore, the 7th head of Revelation 17 is this empire containing something of the Roman empire or its influence.


8)  Revelation 17:9-11,   Revelation 17:18,    Revelation 17:5 
The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for a little while.  The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.


The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth


This title was written on her forehead:
  MYSTERY,   BABYLON THE GREAT,   THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES
  AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.


If the woman (the whore) was the great city, what city was she? Well it says she represented Babylon. But …. It says “Mystery”. Babylonic religion was a religion of mysteries full of imagery and symbolism. This city was located with 7 hills. Babylon was not surrounded by 7 hills. Rome has always been known as the City on 7 hills. Also, Revelation 13 and 17 are clearly talking about the Roman empire. It says that the 7 heads are seven hills and also 7 kings. The seven hills represent  Rome and the culmination of the 7 kings or the 4th and final beast (as described earlier) is a final Roman empire. Then we read that there is an eighth king. During the time when chapter 17 was written it says that the beast “once was and now is not” but will rise at the end. This must mean that the 7th head will be when the full embodiment and power of that beast will be unleashed. The 6th head of the original empire was not the full embodiment of the beast (with all its unlimited power) until the time of the 7th head.


What we are also told is that there is an eighth. “The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven” This excellently explains the Vatican City. It is part of Rome but yet a separate country in its own right, with its own separate political powers. It is set on Vatican Hill which is part of Rome but is not under the Political authority of Rome. It has its (eighth) own hill.


This could be why Revelation 17 links hills and kings together and says it belongs to the 7, ie is part of Rome. Not only does this re-emphasise that the prostitute (woman) is Rome but actually Vatican City. She rides upon the political power of the Roman Empire being, part of it but separate.


So the Roman empire (the 6th head and the 4th beast) continued on throughout history. History tells us that though the Roman Empire fell it didn’t really fall but became much weakened and actually continued its influence through the ROMAN Catholic institution. Throughout the “dark ages” the Vatican basically was effectively the ruling power throughout the empire.


The seventh head (empire) would be a re-emergence (revival) of that political power combined with the Babylonic influence of the Vatican. It will not last long as it will be brittle, won’t be able to co-exist properly.


So Revelation 17 verses: 5, 9-11 and 18 only make sense if they are relating to Vatican City (The Roman Catholic Institution) and their Mystery religion which has ruled over the kings of the whole Earth.


So the seventh political empire will be originally influenced by a satanically controlled Vatican and will have all the satanic powers that existed in Babylon, Persia and Greece but will be far more terrible and out of this tyrannical political/religious body of leaders controlling the empire (likened to the 4th beast) the antichrist will arise as the complete fulfilment of an embodied beast. He is one of the seven. It is the full embodiment of the beast (using the 7th empire or 7th head) taking on human form to become the eighth king, with an empire that extends over the whole Earth.


9) Revelation 17:15 
The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages
This clearly explains what the seas or waters are. The Vatican sits over multitudes throughout the Earth "peoples, multitudes, nations and languages”

After taking all these things into consideration, please read Revelation 17 and 18 again, and see if my explanation fits those chapters together or not.

Please, if I have overlooked any scriptures in the Bible which contradict what I have written, please let me know the verses, but as far as I know they do not contradict it but they may give extra information which is not covered here, like in Revelation 13, where it describes more than one beast. But that is AFTER the antichrist has risen to power. The purpose of this article is to specifically explain Revelation 17 in its relation to the rest of the Bible.

Thanks

18 comments:

John Chingford said...

I would like to add that we should be careful not to get caught up in newspaper exegesis. ie We should not determine bible prophecies by what the newspapers are telling us (trying to fit into the bible current events) but by what God tells us in the bible.

The fact is that God states (in the bible) that THERE WILL be a revived Roman Empire. The iron (in Daniel) tells us it represents the Roman Empire. The final empire will "contain iron" = Roman Empire, BUT will be mixed with clay. Daniel says it will be brittle (weak) and not long lasting and will usher in the reign of the antichrist.

It is FACT that the regions that made up the old Roman empire ARE coming together. The bible does not state that the revived empire will be strong (as in the past) but will be weak. It is out of this weak empire that the ten toes (or ten kings) and reign of the antichrist comes.

The 10 toes are not necessarily ten countries as they exist today. It doesn't even mention the name "countries". It says ten "kings" or maybe 10 provinces or 10 regions which each have government leaders.

The 10 could be "the whole world" divided into 10 regions (which incidetally has already been decided by the powers that be) or it could be a later division of this revived (weak and broken up) Roman empire.

Without myself getting caught up in newspaper exegesis, it does seem that the EU REALLY DOES fit the bill

RomaLynn said...

As well as Napaleon, Charlemagne and some others, do not forget Hitler and his final solution, which is what put into place the return of the nation of Israel to their land.

Yes along with you, John, I have been watching all of this closely since my 20s I would say, a long time now. I will be 57 in September, if the Lord allows.

Thanks for all you do here in posting and encouraging as we go along.

Anonymous said...

This is all Knowledge.To know is to find out the truth by studying,thus knowing.We call this the tree of knowledge.In Genesis 3:22 They have become like us,to Know good and evil.Keep studying my friends(brothers and sisters).He who has(knowledge) much more will be given.I am a believer of Jesus Christ and all of his ways, thus I have studied extensively and am indwelt with the Holy Ghost. We are very proud of you! Keep UP the good work(s)

John Chingford said...

Thanks Anon for those kind words.

Forgive my ignorance but I am unsure what you are saying.

Are you saying that you are likening our blog to the "tree of knowledge of good and evil"?

If so, is that a good thing? I mean didn't God say those things in a bad (not good) sense because they were not meant to eat of that tree and were now in a condition of sin and spiritual darkness.

Afterwards He had to separate Adam and Eve from the tree of Life too.

Please enlighten me as to what you are actually saying.

Thanks
God bless

John Chingford said...

Hi everybody

After further prayer and study on this subject I have made a few changes to this article, with more to come. Please see the start of the article which explains what is being edited and why.

Watch This Space

John Chingford said...

Hi Everybody, as promised, I have made the changes which I said I would.

The main changes now appear at the very bottom of the article in a large new section.

I have also (within the main body of the article) made some small modifications to some of the sentences where I noticed I had made mistakes.

Please let me know if I have overlooked anything.

Thanks and God bless

Pastor David Hall said...

Hi John, What many Born Again Christians do not realise is that a part of Babylonish religion is still ingrained in many Churches and denominations.

Semiramis became known as Isis and Isis was married to Osiris and had a son called Horus. Demons live behind these Idols and names. These gods are very much 'alive' in much of the Masonic church. Many depictions of crosses are used by the Knights of the Templar and are thus pagan and connected with false worship.

This is all a part of the Woman that rides the beast and has spilled much blood, including RC, Anglican, Lutheran churches to name a few.

You also made mention of the gap between the Roman empire and modern times, however I put it to you that it continued later on with the emergence of the British Empire that much later was instrumental in setting Jerusalem free from Turkish domination and later paved the way for the establishment of the Nation of Israel again.

Britain was linked to Rome and even its very early Navy was established by a Roman called Clausentum.

So there is certainly a lot involved with this end time scenario and yet much to be learnt. Thank you for your imput.

Blessings

John Chingford said...

Hi Pastor David

Are you saying that the British Empire is a part of the Roman Empire continuing its existence through the BE?

If so, you may be righgt. However, the same thing happened to Persian and Greek empires as a continuance albeit a replacement of the Babylonic empire. The Roman Empire (in a sense) was also a continuance of those empires. But, the Book of Revelation states them as being separate heads of the beast.

If the British Empire is a replacement then it would be another head. But the seventh head is described as a revival of that Roman Empire, not a new one.

Therefore, if the 6th and 7th heads are related to the Roman Empire and there has been a gap, there must be a reason for the gap, ie Israel ceased to be a Nation during that gap.

The British Empire may have filled the gap, but Israel was not a Nation (during that empire) so the Bible does not mention it because the 7 heads are as in relation to Israel as a Nation.

Pastor David Hall said...

Yes John, it is not an easy one, but we also need to look at Daniel where he speaks about the feet of Iron & Clay.

We can see that very much in evidence with Iron type of Dictators and Left wingers who will allow anything to pamper people and break Gods laws on every level. They do not mix and that is what will bring the Image crashing down.

Ancient Rome vanished because of the break down of morality and families and that is what is happening today in other once powerful Nations.

Britain was once a friend of Israel, but not any more as we have seen with all of the Pro Palestinian rights agitators against Israel.

When Nations turn against God Covenant people, they come off worse.

Blessings

David

John Chingford said...

The way I read the Book Of Revelation is in relation to when it was written. I always read a passage of scripture by looking at its context and by asking various questions like:

who was it written to? why was it written? when was it written? what is it saying? etc

So in answer to those questions regarding what John wrote in the Book Of Revelation: John received a vision of the future, he received it sometime between 70 - 90 AD. It was written during the time when the 6th head (4th beast) was in power = Rome. When John wrote, the earlier 5 empires had fallen but Rome was still thriving.

I don't believe it makes logical or grammatical sense for John to see a vision (in the future) of another 5 kings which again need to rise and fall, followed by a sixth one which also will fall. If that was the case, it would have said 6 (not 5) have fallen. The vision, is about the 7th and 8th heads as part of the future.

A school of thought is that John was seeing all 7 heads in the future, at a given point in history. So, say 1948 was the point (in the future) when these prophecies start being fulfilled. It HAS to relate to Israel because God always gives prophecies in relation to Israel being a nation (as I explained in the article).

So If John had a vision of things which happened after 1948, he could say that 5 kings have fallen and the 6th was in power. I cannot see how 5 physical kings or popes fits in to that vision re 1948. The only thing which makes sense is to refer to the same 5 empires that had fallen at the time of John and its existing one Rome.

At the time John received the vision, Jerusalem had probably already fallen and the Jews dispersed, so if he saw a vision of the time when Israel would be a nation again, it may make sense if there were 5 popes who had fallen by 1948 and the 6th pope in existence during 1948. However, this does not fit in because we have had more than 3 since then.

The only interpretation that makes any sense to me is the one I wrote in my article, ie that the Roman Empire (in power when Jerusalem fell and at the time John received the vision) was the head that "was". The "once was, now is not, yet will come" is referring to the 8th head.

That cannot be referring to Roman Empire because Rome "WAS" yet John is referring to something that "used to be" and will come again. Where did all false religion come from and antichrist belief come from. The word anti means "in place of" ie a counterfeit. The antichrist will be a counterfeit Christ, and there will be a counterfeit religious power which was first established at the Tower of Babel through satanic power.

All false religion has its roots and origins in Babylon. The only thing that makes sense is a re-emergence of Babylonic religion (which we see in the Papal system) as the "once was, now is not, but will come again". It will have its fulfillment in the person of the antichrist who is possibly a resurrection of Nimrod. "the fatal wound that had been healed "one of the 5 heads that had fallen. To me, these all point to original Babylon and to a Babylonic style satan possessed leader.

We only have to look at the EU and see their building which was built upon the designs reflecting the unfinished tower of Babel. They want to re-unite the whole world in defiance against God who divided them.

I do see the Pope's as the fathers of old Babylon religion and come to the conclusion that the final Pope will become part of the unholy trinity.

RomaLynn said...

John so glad to see you continuing here. I need to take time to go back through and read this whole thing again. Busy with some illness in the house as you know. One thing is for sure, you are correct the EU in Brussels building their building like a broken tower with the words Many tongues, one voice, sure is a direct slap at God and what he did and is doing. If people have not seen that they need to look at it.

John Chingford said...

Thanks Roma

I look forward to your review.

I would like to add to my last comment as further clarity on my article.

The bible is self interpreting. If one verse, passage or chapter is not clear, in most cases there are other verses, passages, chapters which clarify those difficult passages. My article tried to show how Revelation 17 can be understood in light of those other chapters.

I showed how Daniel could be used to explain Revelation 17. To re-emphasise. Daniel saw 4 beasts but focussed specifically on the 4th beast. At the time of Daniel he experienced 2 of the 4: Babylon and Persia. History shows us how Greece fulfilled the 3rd beast to a fine tee. This is how we know that the beast represents satanic empires, especially when we read how an angel told Daniel that he was opposed (in the spiritual realm) by a demonic force over Persia and Greece. Greece is specifically mentioned (even long before they became an empire).

So the 4th beast (succeeding the previous 3) IS ROME. Daniel tells us that it had 10 horns, ie Rome will have 10 horns (at some point in history). Book of Revelation says the beast has 10 horns on the 7 heads. Could the correct translation from the Greek be interpreted "10 horns on the 7th head"? Just wondering. It doesn't change the meaning of the text anyway.

Anyway, it is clear when comparing scripture with scripture that the 7th head with 10 horns appearing is clearly referring to a final Romanic type EMPIRE (not individual popes or kings or any other variation) from which the antichrist and his kingdom emerges

Christian Thomas said...

Hi John,

That is pretty much how I had it, though not such a detailed version. I pinned more on the 7 hills of Rome than matching to Daniel and have never had a problem seeing the RCC as the whore of Babylon (especially if you judge according to fruits).

I had quite a lot of early assistance in formulating this view, sometimes from unusual quarters like two JW friends who believe that Babylon is all organised religion (except theirs) and even from some SDA reading that I used to do (and actually miss, because they are devotional). A legacy of this second is that I see, in a similar fashion (though not identically) to the SDAs, some compulsion to join the Church in the Revelation scenario; thus giving the Vatican its power and prominence in the script.

As to the prophetic clock I am not sure whether it completely stops. The reference to the "times of the Gentiles when Jerusalem is trampled underfoot" is what I have been taught to pin it on; and that came to an end either in 1948 or perhaps in 1917 with the Balfour Declaration. It doesn't, though, materially affect your chronology - and if anything supports it.

Hope this helps in adding a few odd or ends in confirmation.

Christian Thomas

Anonymous said...

It is contradictory to say that the world has been divided up into ten regions and then say the seat of power for the Antichrist is the EU. It cannot be both. It clearly says in Revelation Chapter 6 that the Antichrist takes control of one fourth of the world only (the EU) and from that region he will control of the rest of the world. The ten regions doctrine is the work of False Prophets such as JR Church and Gary Steadman. These are the same two who have just brought out a DVD citing the Book of Enoch as being the word of God when we both know that is not the case.

John Chingford said...

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Hi Anonymous

Thanks for your comments.

Let me clarify some points. I simply stated that (as matter of fact)the World HAS been divided into 10 regions. I am not specifically saying that these 10 regions are MY interpretation of the 10 kings. I was just trying to point out a fact which COULD BE relevant.

Why is it not possible for a global one world government to have its headquarters/parliament in the EU?

You say, it CLEARLY says in Revelation Chapter 6 (presumably verses 7-8 4th seal?) that the Antichrist takes control of one fourth of the world only (the EU) and from that region he will control of the rest of the world.

Where does it CLEARLY state this?

This is what Rev 6:7-8 says:

"When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!”

I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth."

How is that CLEARLY stating what you have said?

Actually what it is saying is that the Tribulation (may/may not be caused by the ac) will cause a quarter of the World's population to die. It does not specifically say it is the ac nor that the ac rules over a quarter of the Earth.

The ten regions doctrine????

I have never heard of such a doctrine. Is it really a DOCTRINE? I thought it was simply an interpretation that the 10 kings may be 10 regions making up the whole world. That is the only part I am aware of. I am not aware of any specific 10 regions "doctrine" as such.

Anonymous said...

When He treads the wine press? Where does He do this/what land/country? When He comes on a cloud who
(nation/people) does He attack. When he avenges Israel? Who are the nations/countries mentioned by NAME? When he separates the nations and sends the ones who divided His land into the pit. Which nations go into the pit? Start with the Word then observe the world. Not the other way around.
God bless you search

John Chingford said...

Hi Anonymous

I agree with you that we should not get caught up on newspaper exegesis (ie interpreting the bible based on current events). We should ALWAYS relate current events to what the Bible tells us. If current events do not match, then we should ignore them as irrelevant to the bible prophecies.

Actually, I thought I had been doing that throughout this article.

Your quotes are related to what happens after the fall of Babylon. The purpose of this article was simply to show what is represented by Babylon up to the time when it falls. It wasn't my intention to get sidetracked into the other tribulation events or go beyond the scope of this article.

The reason for that is because this blog focuses on exposing the evils of ecumenism as controlled by the vatican (aka Rome,Babylon). Therefore the purpose of this article was to show that "The Beast With Seven Heads and Ten Horns and The Woman Riding The Beast" ALL related to Vatican City which is FILLED with Babylon religion.

Incidentally, it contains global power through its many secret societies.

John Chingford said...

The thought just came to me why mystery Babylon the great would emerge so quickly.

We have seen much evidence in the last 10 years, or so, how quickly the main stream protestant church has become ecumenical - joining forces with Rome.

However, we are informed that Mystery Babylon is a united one world religion (no other religion) at the time of the antichrist. How could it happen so quickly?

Psalm 83, Ezekiel 38-39 and the rapture give us a clue.

Psalm 83 is the next major event on the biblical calender, in which Israel's immediate neighbours will attack Israel and Israel will be victorious in the manner that Gideon was victorious. This would lead to Israel enlarging its borders and being at peace (finally) with its neighbours.

Soon afterwards the Gog and Magog wars would take place. The end result is that atheism and Islam would cease, as the scriptures state that these nations will know the true and only God and muslims will be left in the position where they will realise that Islam/allah is a false religion/god.

There are indications in Psalm 83 that the rapture will take place at this time: Note what it says in the KJV:

"They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. The hidden ones could be related to those hidden after the rapture.

Therefore, if Islam and atheism is broken and the rapture has taken place,

The apostle Paul said "the mystery is already at work" and "after my departure wolves will come in". He was clearly referring to the catholic church fathers who brought n destructive heresy straight from Babylon through the gnostics.

Mystery Babylon flourished throughout the dark ages and will flourish again MUCH MORE in the latter days. So, how will it flourish again?

As shown above, if Islam and atheism is broken and the rapture has taken place for true believers who have not joined themselves to Rome, then who will be left?

Those ecumenical leaders who are leading the true church back into Rome and all those who are not born again (in those churches) will be left behind.

These will all totally join Rome as ONE totally global mystery Babylon religion. This support will enable Vatican city to emerge with much more power than ever before - even more sinister than was experienced during the dark ages.